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not exactly 2000 years ago

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Any Christian scholar of Christian history will readily confirm that after the famous council of Nicea (325 AD), the church of St. Paul (The Roman Catholic Church) selected out of the over three hundred Gospels in their possession the four that most closely conformed to their doctrines. All others, including the Gospel of Barnabas, were ordered completely destroyed. They also ruled that all Gospels written in Hebrew were to be destroyed. An edict was issued that anyone found in possession of an unauthorized Gospel would be put to death. Countless numbers of Christians were then systematically killed as heretics and burned at the stake if they maintained their belief in the divine Unity of God and did not conform to the innovative teachings of Paul. It is well known that this practice continued until at least the year 1616 AD.

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打仗是要死人的, 无论善人还是恶人, 都要死的, 死法不同而已. 不打仗也要死人的, 无论善恶. 你不想死, 但是大呼小叫是没用的. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-8 (#4170829@0)

so it does not matter who kills who because all people will die eventually. that's a new explanation of the bible. thanks! -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-8 (#4171469@0)

The conculsion you made on Bible is one-sided. Actually Bible spent a lot of words explaining who kills who, how and why, but you didn't mention these words. I am not sure you read Bible. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-8 (#4171987@0)

Just thought for whatever reason, wherever it happened, killing is wrong, even to kill "bad" guys. And as Bible is timeless, it should be right against any standard. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-8 (#4172004@0)

killing is just killing. How would you treat "bad" guys, if you were God? Set them free? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-8 (#4172360@0)

Yesterday's "bad" guy could be tomorrow's average guy. if I were God, I would not let anyone to use my name for killings. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-8 (#4172448@0)

That's why you are not God, God knew what will happen tomorrow. Yesterday's "bad" guy could NOT be tomorrow's average guy without any treatment. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-8 (#4172574@0)

"A God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings" is only your version of God. A God who is truly omnipotent does not concern himself with such earthly grindings; he will only be manifest through the beautiful workings of the cosmos -lifesucks(很好，很和谐); 2008-1-8 {122} (#4172618@0)
rather than through a stupid storybook that tries to document God's words, which might as well be fake and insubstantial.

Please show me your god or your smart story book about him who has to do the ONLY job you just assigned him to do. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4174809@0)

The "sad" truth for you is, there is no God. Suppose there was some kind of divine being, he would only be manifest through the laws of Nature, and not through your pathetic little folktale. -lifesucks(很好，很和谐); 2008-1-9 (#4175121@0)

The "sad" truth for you is, you are seeming dissociative identity disorder. Sometime you say God, somtime you say no God. Because further detail thought may harm you, I suggest stop here. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-10 (#4175950@0)

then my question is "who can represent God and God's words?". I will say no one. not from a book, not from a group that claims they have better radio channels to listen to heaven -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-8 (#4172637@0)

How about Jesus? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4173246@0)

Then my question would be "where is this guy now and who can speak on behalf of him? ". Not from a story book, not from self claimed group(s) who claim they has better reception to listen to his words -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-9 {111} (#4173989@0)
no matter how great he was, sadly, he is dead. and the church system was not set up until 400 years after that.

How about Bible? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4174733@0)

the story book? -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-9 (#4174757@0)

Do you get Jesus from this story book? If not, where do you get Jesus? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4174777@0)

lol, prove to me that Jesus ever lived. -lifesucks(很好，很和谐); 2008-1-9 (#4175094@0)

mikesmith(老猫) knows him. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4175105@0)

Jesus was a great person and had great influence over generations of people. to remember him, people worship what he worshipped, people wrote stories about him, Roman emperors used him 400 years after he died -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-10 {72} (#4177334@0)
to establish the church system and turned him into something he was not.

Thanks for answering lifesucks(很好，很和谐) with so many details. I believe he is satisfied. I would suggest you answer my previous question directly as well. Further more, would you please explain how you connect God and Jesus? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-10 (#4177846@0)

to hear someone who he was, where he from and what he did from a single source does not make it more credible if all other sources were burnt some 2000 years ago -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-11 (#4179723@0)

What sources were burnt some 2000 years ago (you mean before 8 AD?) -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-11 (#4180495@0)

not exactly 2000 years ago -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-11 {837} (#4180728@0)
Any Christian scholar of Christian history will readily confirm that after the famous council of Nicea (325 AD), the church of St. Paul (The Roman Catholic Church) selected out of the over three hundred Gospels in their possession the four that most closely conformed to their doctrines. All others, including the Gospel of Barnabas, were ordered completely destroyed. They also ruled that all Gospels written in Hebrew were to be destroyed. An edict was issued that anyone found in possession of an unauthorized Gospel would be put to death. Countless numbers of Christians were then systematically killed as heretics and burned at the stake if they maintained their belief in the divine Unity of God and did not conform to the innovative teachings of Paul. It is well known that this practice continued until at least the year 1616 AD.

So you learned Jesus from some source burnt during 325 AD to 1616 AD, right? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-11 (#4181065@0)

because all other sources were burnt, the only source available is not credible anymore. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-12 (#4181781@0)

Is the credible one burnt or non-exist? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-12 (#4183453@0)

i just do not know what to believe -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-13 (#4184184@0)

How about church? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4174735@0)

the group that claims they have better radio channels ? -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-9 (#4174759@0)

Do you get Jesus from this goup? If not, where do you get Jesus? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4174779@0)

如果你身上有恶性癌细胞，所幸尚未转移，一旦转移扩散了会危及生命。你是会选择开刀割了呢还是养着？当然，谁操刀是另外一回事。 -bdbs(不多不少); 2008-1-8 (#4172380@0)

I see your logic. The question is that who are the "bad" guys. A while ago, witches, gays, or anyone who is not a believer were all condemned and deserved to die. As the world change, who can say for sure those guys were killed for a good reason. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-8 (#4172442@0)

You did NOT know the logic. Witches, gays, and all of us deserve die. We are all bad guy. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-8 (#4172587@0)

I certainly would not AGREE with that logic. That is insane and irresponsible. Human being should be in charge of own fate, even though they made so many bad choices. -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-8 {71} (#4172626@0)
At the end of the day, we are born free and equal and we bow to nobody.

They made bad choice, then they die. No matter how resonsible they claimed to be, it wouldn't work. -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4173802@0)

who defines the choice as "good" or "bad" ? some scientist was burnt by saying something he believed to be true. is that a bad choice? -mikesmith(老猫); 2008-1-9 (#4174054@0)

JESUS defines. For sure it's bad choice to burn scientist, but what's your point? -firetrain(火车头); 2008-1-9 (#4174792@0)

这些是古犹太人给自己的杀人罪行开脱找借口而已。和中国古代皇帝出兵以"奉天承运", 以及土匪山贼杀人以"替天行道"为借口同理.看到挂在十字架的耶稣就知道什么是上帝的爱,不要被这些迷惑. -aloha2u(工夫茶); 2008-1-8 (#4172473@0)

不对吧？写在圣经里边的，是神的话语，怎么是开脱之词？你这么说话，真正的基督徒不干了，呵呵 -remember_me_not(r-m-n); 2008-1-8 (#4172504@0)

神在人世间只留下一把"尺子"- 耶稣基督, 拿着祂去就不难把真假给"量"出来. -aloha2u(工夫茶); 2008-1-8 (#4172542@0)

还要看你会不会用这把尺子。你说摩西五经的《申命记》是为犹太人开脱？你的尺子用错地方了吧？耶稣说：律法的一点一划也不能废去。。。 -remember_me_not(r-m-n); 2008-1-8 (#4172558@0)

“屠杀和掠夺”认为是善，很多人是不会同意的。 -jsl630226(吉祥音); 2008-1-9 (#4174579@0)

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