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How does the genetic Adam relate to the Adam of the bible?...ZT From INTERVIEW WITH SPENCER WELLS

How does the genetic Adam relate to the Adam of the bible?

It's interesting that both genetics and the Bible show that there is a common origin of humanity. According to genetic data we come from a single male ancestor. In the Bible too it is mentioned that there is a single male Adam and single female, Eve. I don't equate our results one-to-one with the biblical story, of course, because if you count back through the generations described in the Bible, Adam should have existed in 4004 BC, and our Adam existed 60,000 years ago. Also, our Adam and Eve weren't the only people alive at the time, just the lucky ones who left descendants down to the present day. But it is nice to know that we arrive at the same general conclusion: we're all related.
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  • 枫下拾英 / 心灵感悟 / 另起一帖,回-cfcya(信望爱); (#2502776)如果你想利用Spencer Wells的理论支持神创论的话,最好先仔细看一下书,别只看封面.他说过人类是圣经里的ADAM和EVA的后代吗?不要抓到盘里就是菜.
    • How does the genetic Adam relate to the Adam of the bible?...ZT From INTERVIEW WITH SPENCER WELLS
      How does the genetic Adam relate to the Adam of the bible?

      It's interesting that both genetics and the Bible show that there is a common origin of humanity. According to genetic data we come from a single male ancestor. In the Bible too it is mentioned that there is a single male Adam and single female, Eve. I don't equate our results one-to-one with the biblical story, of course, because if you count back through the generations described in the Bible, Adam should have existed in 4004 BC, and our Adam existed 60,000 years ago. Also, our Adam and Eve weren't the only people alive at the time, just the lucky ones who left descendants down to the present day. But it is nice to know that we arrive at the same general conclusion: we're all related.
    • 太佩服你的逻辑推理能力了。When & Where did I imply Spencer Wells说过人类是圣经里的ADAM和EVA的后代了? As I said, they are all hypothesis, while the Bible gives the answer. 不过人们的发现越来越靠近圣经就是了.
      • 你挺没意思的...信口雌黄就是说的是你这样的人.....
        • Proof? Proof? #2502798 #2502787
          • 你省省吧,明明是一个反对神创论的科学家提出的一个反对神创论的理论,却被你用来支持神创论.就因为封面上面有ADAM的字眼...
            • 仁者见仁,智者见智.只要他没说是300万年前的就好.
      • 过去教会中多采用乌撒耳(Ussher,1650)大主教所编的年谱表,认为人类起始于4004BC,即目前只有6000年的历史。乌撒耳的年谱表根据旧约人名年代之积算而得。但是近代许多解经家已经根据圣经本身的记录,证实乌撒耳的推算法是不正确的。
    • Robert Jastrow: "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak;
      • as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." - (Jastrow, R. 1978. God and the Astronomers. New York, W.W. Norton, p. 116.)
      • Robert Jastrow - self-proclaimed agnostic
      • NASA的Goddard太空研究所主任Robert Jastrow(一不可知论者的太空科学家):"科学家已经攀越许多无知山脉,即将准备征服那最高的顶峰。正当他扒着最后一块岩石攀身而上时,迎面而来的是一群神学家。他们早在数世纪前已经在那里等待了!"
        • 实在忍不住了问一句,这些神学家是不是自从太阳绕地球转的时候就开始等了?
          • Ask Robert, since he works for NASA.
        • 实在忍不住了也问一句,这些神学家是不是自从女人比男人少一跟肋骨的时候就开始等了?
          • 请问这盘菜又是哪抓的?圣经上只说用了亚当一个人的肋骨.
            • "16世纪,比利时解剖学家韦塞利,仅仅因证明了男人和女人都是24根肋骨的事实,与僧侣们关于女人比男人多一根肋骨的荒唐说法不一致,从而使《圣经》中的上帝造人说露出了破绽,教会恼羞成怒,把韦塞利判处死刑。"
              • 所以马丁路德才让基督徒们要回归圣经啊.圣经早就指出一些人是"大淫妇"了.
                • 太佩服你的逻辑推理能力了,你这因为所以从哪里来?
                  • 因为中世纪封锁一般信徒对圣经的接触,专断对圣经的解释权,并且做了....,所以
                    • 那请问谁对圣经的解释是最权威的?凭什么?
                      • Good question! 现在有集合各宗派的圣经会议和公会. 圣经的成书也是一些教父经过圣灵的集体应证.不过这里讨论的很多问题老百姓看圣经就能发现.比如天主教和一些异端添了很多圣经上没有的东西. 新旧约圣经的诞生、流传和定典=>
                      • 你自己的心。找个安静和整洁的环境,躺下来,闭上眼睛,虔诚一点。你用你的自己心亲自去问问神吧。你是神最爱的孩子,虽然你玩世不恭;但他已经开启了你的智慧,赐给了你的辩才,教会你不瞒从;我相信他总会回答你的。
                        • 你们别给我催眠,你们说的越多,我越觉得你们信仰的荒谬.如果神有什么建议或想法,当今科技那么发达,让他直接在电视里给大家讲讲,为什么通过教会或你们来解释?而且教会的解释又不确定是对的....
                          • Channel 3, every Sunday, 10:00 -11:00 am.
                            • 开玩笑吗?你确信那是上帝在里面?
                              • 使徒信经是宗派所公认的。如果各宗派有些细节不同(华人教会基本不太区分),也是建立在这基础上,大家的看见互相补充.不过说这些,对于一个还没有接受神的人来说没有意义,一位信与不信的前提不同.当你接受了使徒信经再讨论好吗?
                                1. 我信上帝,全能的父,创造天地的主。
                                2. 我信我主耶稣基督,上帝的独生子;
                                3. 因着圣灵感孕,从童贞女马利亚所生;
                                4. 在本丢彼拉多手下受难,被钉在十字架上,受死,埋葬;
                                5. 降在阴间;第三天从死里复活;
                                6. 他升天,坐在全能父上帝的右边;
                                7. 将来必从那里降临,审判活人,死人。
                                8. 我信圣灵;
                                9. 我信圣而公之教会;我信圣徒相通;
                                10. 我信罪得赦免;
                                11. 我信身体复活;
                                12. 我信永生。阿们!
                      • 用心灵和诚实;圣灵和真理
    • 唉!你们也是的。跟她费什么劲啊?没看出来他到了什么火候了么?到了这份上,就是耶稣同志自己出来对他说“俺不是神”,他都转不过弯来了。
      • 只要主耶稣告诉你他是神,能转过弯就好.
        • 如果神在大家面前出现一次,我立刻信神,可惜啊,按照圣经里的记载,神现灵了那么多次,可圣经以后就再也没有过呢?这只能说明圣经是骗人的...
          • 呵呵,神不是显现了吗?信望爱同学的执着不是一个很好的见证么?当然了,他可能是真脑袋进水了,千千万万的基督徒也脑袋进水了。如果是这样的话,也没有办法了。:)
            • 照你说法那其他教的神不更显现了,回教徒可以为安拉做自杀炸弹,FLG教徒可以为FLG自焚,不比信望爱同学更执着...你觉得这种类型见证说明问题吗?
              • 这正是我的意思。所以还是需要你自己去选择呀。
                • 可你没明白我的意思....你应该能够理解什么样的见证才能是有说服力的,能够作为证据的.
                  • 我明白你的意思。其实无论如何有说服力的言论都是有人反对,有人赞同或有人无动于衷的。因此还是那句老话,关键在于自己的选择。
                    • 如果那样的话,这个世界还有什么可以证明或不可以证明的.有什么标准说你已经证明了一道题.难道你初中的证明题你自己说自己证明对了,老师就给你分数吗?
          • 你无法证明这个命题"如果神在大家面前出现一次,我立刻信神," .#2485226, pls scroll down for 人信的局限: