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Could Mindfulness Meditation Cause Depersonalization?

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. Depersonalization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization
"It can consist of a reality or detachment within the self, regarding one's mind or body, or being a detached observer of onseself."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder
"They may feel like an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions.“

2. Proponent of Mindfulness: http://markmanson.net/your-two-minds
"I don’t let my Thinking Mind control me. I defuse from my emotions. When I feel fear, I consciously choose to act despite it. When I feel worry, I consciously choose to act despite it."

Overcoming Depersonalization Disorder: A Mindfulness and Acceptance Guide to Conquering Feelings of Numbness and Unreality https://books.google.ca/books?id=YYA04km5NfQC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=observe+own+thoughts+depersonalization&source=bl&ots=VfFOi8Z0a9&sig=XN8dqjzxKSaCmf9SjUn53ZeqMuU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBTgKahUKEwi6kpnFhpPHAhXYF5IKHRqtC1c#v=onepage&q=observe%20own%20thoughts%20depersonalization&f=false
"Meditation: Self as Observer"

3. Defense: https://enlightenmentward.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/depersonalization-vs-enlightenment/

http://psychologytomorrowmagazine.com/enlightenments-evil-twin/

4. Critics: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/25/mental-health-meditation
"The concern comes not from critics of mindfulness but from supporters, such as Dr Florian Ruths, consultant psychiatrist at the Maudsley hospital in south London. He has launched an investigation into adverse reactions to MBCT, which have included rare cases of "depersonalisation", where people feel like they are watching themselves in a film."

http://harmanjit.blogspot.ca/2007/07/critique-of-vipassana-as-taught-by-mr-s.html
"The technique can precipitate and exacerbate Depersonalization, a dissociative disorder."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2191357
"this study concludes that: 1) meditation can cause depersonalization and derealization;"

5. Spirituality and Mental Illness: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201301/troubled-souls-spirituality-mental-health-hazard

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23174516更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下拾英 / 心灵感悟 / Could Mindfulness Meditation Cause Depersonalization?
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. Depersonalization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization
    "It can consist of a reality or detachment within the self, regarding one's mind or body, or being a detached observer of onseself."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder
    "They may feel like an outside observer of their own thoughts or body, and often report feeling a loss of control over their thoughts or actions.“

    2. Proponent of Mindfulness: http://markmanson.net/your-two-minds
    "I don’t let my Thinking Mind control me. I defuse from my emotions. When I feel fear, I consciously choose to act despite it. When I feel worry, I consciously choose to act despite it."

    Overcoming Depersonalization Disorder: A Mindfulness and Acceptance Guide to Conquering Feelings of Numbness and Unreality https://books.google.ca/books?id=YYA04km5NfQC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA85&dq=observe+own+thoughts+depersonalization&source=bl&ots=VfFOi8Z0a9&sig=XN8dqjzxKSaCmf9SjUn53ZeqMuU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDgQ6AEwBTgKahUKEwi6kpnFhpPHAhXYF5IKHRqtC1c#v=onepage&q=observe%20own%20thoughts%20depersonalization&f=false
    "Meditation: Self as Observer"

    3. Defense: https://enlightenmentward.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/depersonalization-vs-enlightenment/

    http://psychologytomorrowmagazine.com/enlightenments-evil-twin/

    4. Critics: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/25/mental-health-meditation
    "The concern comes not from critics of mindfulness but from supporters, such as Dr Florian Ruths, consultant psychiatrist at the Maudsley hospital in south London. He has launched an investigation into adverse reactions to MBCT, which have included rare cases of "depersonalisation", where people feel like they are watching themselves in a film."

    http://harmanjit.blogspot.ca/2007/07/critique-of-vipassana-as-taught-by-mr-s.html
    "The technique can precipitate and exacerbate Depersonalization, a dissociative disorder."

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2191357
    "this study concludes that: 1) meditation can cause depersonalization and derealization;"

    5. Spirituality and Mental Illness: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201301/troubled-souls-spirituality-mental-health-hazard

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23174516更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • Again,有人说苹果是酸的,有人说是甜的,或酸酸甜甜的,苹果的味道究竟如何,只有自己亲自去尝试咬上一口才有发言权,并且不同的苹果或同一种苹果对同一人在不同的身心状况下味道亦是不同的,没有好坏,关键是是否于当下适合自己。谢谢
      • 有的苹果对有些人是有毒的。吃下去然后就没有然后了。谢谢。 +1
        • 若他选择了有毒的苹果而不是其他种,只能说明有毒的苹果于他当下是最合适的,况且你又如何判断这个选择就没有然后了呢?谢谢。
          • 也许有也许没有。我依据我现有的知识假设没有(当然知识本身也都是假设),除非有人能证明有。你能吗?谢谢。 +1
            • 我证悟到为“既是有,又是非有” 或“没有非没有”, 两种说法没有不同,但我同样不能证明给你,谢谢
              • 恭喜。你能说服自己就行。也许你不是不能,而是非能非不能。嗯。谢谢。 +1
                • LOL~~~ You've got the point of non-duality, thanks.
                  • Non-duality and non non-duality.谢谢。 +1
            • 好了不玩虚的,我的的确确证悟到SELF /THAT(可称本性/圣灵/Super Consciousness)不依赖于我们的这副皮囊body和我们的思想mind而独立存在,是无始无终(无生亦无死)的,非善非恶的。。。是一元的。
            • 亦是万有万全的,整个世界万物都是一体无差别的,你我众生都是THAT的form色/相。佛祖和耶稣也证悟到了这些,才有了慈悲和 unconditional love 的来源。这也是我不遗余力倡导meditation期望大家自证自悟从而自度彻底解脱自由自在的原因。谢谢
              • 幸何如之,不胜惶恐。
                • Indeed I am truly blessed,but i am not special. You could do it, everybody could do it, because God/Buddha is in you and with you all the time. Thanks.
              • 您能把您的财产都捐出去吗?您看,您都“合一”了,拥有“unconditional love”了,做到这点不难吧。您看佛祖耶稣都不蓄私产的,对吧?
                • 你不问我不会说,既然你问了,俺不得不回答。N年前我就这么决定并做了,甚至被周围人认为六亲不认。而我当时的回答便是因为大爱所以无私情。谢谢。